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Hey everybody.. I think we have all had enough of what RCR is doing to the skiing industry of the canadian Rockies. A Demonstration is long overdue.

1st Demonstration November 24th at 12 noon On the saturday of the Mens Downhill in Louise we can attract huge worldwide media attention.

Get out your pickets and stick them in front of the cameras as much as you can... sure to attract attention.

2nd Demonstration AT ALL RCR RESORTS - Monday December 17th from 2-4PM DO NOT RIDE THE LIFTS. Hang out in the base area with your pickets and protest away!

I will be making a call to all my media friends in Fernie to get coverage here... we need other people to take the initiative in their city to make this more effective.. so step up!

This probably will have no effect whatsoever on anything that RCR does.. but it will make them look bad.. hopefully worldwide. We cant let them get off scott free with their further mismanagement of the skiing industry of the canadian rockies.

Go Griz!

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All right, I don't recall having bothered to reply to your threads in the past, but it's time...

QUIT ACTING LIKE AN ASS!

If you don't like what they provide, what they charge, or whatever...JUST DON'T USE IT! Feel free to move, there's nothing stopping you. Just go somewhere else, where the grass is greener, the snow whiter, and the passes cheaper and longer.

...all you do is whine... :x

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it's true what Egon is saying. I'm not a fan of RCR resorts, but you don't see me telling them how to run their business, I just take my business else where. When the consumer stops supporting the trends the business has established that is when the consumer will finally have the power again to dictate the trends. So yeah basically-if you don't like it move on, maybe one day when their #'s drop significantly then they may give a rats ass about the consumer again because they will need our money to stay afloat. You and your buds that keep buying passes to Fernie keep the wheel greased. The wheel won't stop turning if its greased. They own you...

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I whine because I care about the skiing industry of the canadian Rockies. I see it slowly being destroyed by RCR, and I don't want to see that happen. Do you?

My town relies on the skiing industry to survive, and as RCR continues to makes rash decisions like cutting the length of the ski season, raising prices and closing terrain parks my town is going to suffer.

I don't want to move somewhere else because a big oil tycoon feels he can do whatever he feels... and something has to be done. If I lived in calgary and had the choice of buying a pass at sunshine I would! But unfortunately here in Fernie we have no options.

and besides.. who doesn't like a good protest?

Go Griz!

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Sweet, Dec 17th would be a good day to head down to Fernie, afternoon lift lines might not be too bad.

nate

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nate wrote:
Sweet, Dec 17th would be a good day to head down to Fernie, afternoon lift lines might not be too bad.

nate

Liftlines wouldn't be as short as they are in April...

And skierboy, you choose to live in Fernie, no one (not even an oil tycoon) is forcing you to. I hate to break it to you, but I can't see why Fernie should stay open any longer than they say they're going to. There's no money in it. If the skiing's so great after that, get on your skins and go enjoy it. No one, not even an oil tycoon, is going to stop you.

As for the town, it'll survive.

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the town was there long before it had a ski hill and will still be there long after the ski hill closes on April 6th.

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RCR isn't killing babies or raping women. They are running a business. If something in my business isn't producing returns you better believe I will axe it.

If you want to protest something worthwhile maybe you should organize a protest against the atrocities in Darfur, to end the occupation if Iraq, to end the civil war in the Congo, or to pull Canadian troops out of Afghanistan. There's people dying in the world, quit expending your energy on pointless, worthless causes.

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i am as disgusted with rcr as the rest of you, but like dude says maybe we should be protesting the dumping of subsurface water from the coal bed methane wells into feeder creeks of the elk river, shit the government promised wouldnt happen!! protest bp, or storm cat drilling or something like that, big oil sucks, so as well as calling rcr and lodging a complaint call your mp and tell him not to destroy our rivers. what would fernie be without the fishing?

bring on the steeps

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i agree.. definitley better things to protest.. and dumping of toxic wastewater into the elk and BP's mist mountain project will come in due time.

But are we really gonna let our terrain parks go without a peep? Just as important as our fishing tourism industry IMHO.

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What's up with all the hate on for skierboy!

He's got some valid arguements about RCR. You guys talk about the earlier closing of Fernie but there is also the issue of the announcement two days before LL opening of not creating any more jumps in RCR terrain parks and only having rails for 'safety' reasons. And not to mention the steady increases in prices and holiday markups. Basically an effort over the last few years to charge more and offer less. And they own over half the resorts in the area.

Myself, yeah I choose to go elsewhere all the time now. I like Fern and LL a lot but won't go because of RCR mistreatment. Skierboy on the other hand being a Fern local really doesn't have much option. He might be a long time local for all you know or there for more concrete reasons than just the skiing.

Anyway, BOO RCR!!

I think many people are unhappy with RCR and have/are taking their business elsewhere. SSV, KH, and hopefully Revy have stepped up to garner the loyalty lost by RCR. Good on them!

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robnow wrote:
...there is also the issue of the announcement two days before LL opening of not creating any more jumps in RCR terrain parks and only having rails for 'safety' reasons. And not to mention the steady increases in prices and holiday markups. Basically an effort over the last few years to charge more and offer less...

Well, I (for one) don't give a lick about terrain parks. All you have to do as a company is say you have one (to get the family's {read: their kids} out), after that it doesn't matter. Only rails? Fine, it has little to do with skiing, IMHO, but if it makes more money for the hills then they should go for it. Holiday markups? Why the hell wouldn't you? Again, just good business (and btw: I come out pretty left wing on most things...but skiing is a business, not an essential anything, and I make my living by it). Charge more, offer less? Welcome to the world. This is how you survive.

I'd love to see RCR (and others) offer an all-frills-long-season spectacular, but it just doesn't make sense. Quit complaining, and figure out a way to get yer turns! :|

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Egon, it's starting to sound like you might work for RCR. Am I correct in assuming this? Especially in light of the Shout Box posting you made about Skierboy...and we all know how RCR feels about him. It's called freedom of speech and if he wants to whinge away about RCR, so be it. You don't have to attend his protest rally, you don't even have to read his posts. Most BB's have an ignore list, not sure if Biglines does or not, but if they do I would suggest you put Skierboy on yours and quit your whining about what he says.

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already got 1200 people invited and 40 plus confirmed for the louise rally on facebook.

on facebook? invite all your friends here - http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=6128942361

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Tuesday November 13th is Call in day !

Call Matt Mosteller direct - 403-256-8473 ext 3323

Go Griz!

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nesta wrote:
Egon, it's starting to sound like you might work for RCR.

Haha, work for RCR? No, and never have. And it's been years since I even skied at one of their hills. There are people on here who know who I am in "real life", they know this is the truth.

Now, I could ignore him (like I usually do), but I do get sick of someone who only has one post topic. That topic has a simple resolution: If you don't like RCR, don't ski with them. We're not talking about an unavoidable company, RCR is not Monsanto.

Have fun with your day of cardboard, paste, and protest...or you could go skiing somewhere

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skierboy wrote:
already got 1200 people invited and 40 plus confirmed for the louise rally on facebook.

on facebook? invite all your friends here - http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=6128942361

Dude; you are wasting your time.
They will call the RCMP and charge your ass with trespassing.From experience the RCMP in LL do not put up with any shit from young people, or will they feel sorry for you in any way.

The only effective form of retribution you can have with the unethically "timed" announcement by RCR is to bring your business elsewhere in the market. They seem to be analyzing their business forecasts day to day and don’t understand the idea of retaining/rewarding loyal customers probably due to the high turnover and archaic management in head office. This is the message you should continue to actively promote.

As a coach this really sucks for the progression of our athletes, but that is why we will adapt & bring our athletes/families to other resorts that take the extra step to keep their loyal customers and exceed their expectations. Good on your for trying to speak up as a consumer, but it would suck the big one to see it turn against you and your followers.

I grew up skiing Wintergreen and Fortress, so this is just another chapter in:
“How not to run a tourism business in the Canadian Rockies”

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Powslut.

Keep your posts relevent. This is a sight about skiing, skiing issues, and such. This discusion has nothing to do with world autrocities, wars, and politics. I'll read the Economist for that.

For the rest of you that feel pissed...

I like the idea about calling (e-mailing) Matt M. on Tuesday with our concerns. I assume it is part of his job description to deal with customer complaints...If he refuses to respond or take our concerns seriously (especailly people who have paid in full for their passes) then I would say he is in breach of his responsabilities. At that point I would show up at RCR's head office on 17th and demand a face to face. (This may work better then showing up at the World Cup...'cause race supporters around the world could really give a shit about RCR or their business practices).

At the end of the day money talks. If RCR and Matt M. tell you to Fucc yourself you have no recourse.
Spend your money elsewhere. That is the only language they will understand.

I am really looking forward to exploring Revy this year!

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Hey Egon(and others), shut the hell up, you are complaining about someone else complaining. Just like one half of members here telling the other to shut up and ski or if you don't like it move, don't friggin click on a forum topic if you are just going to get all upset.

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I'm just curious, how can you stage a protest at the base area of Lake Louise? Isn't it treated as private property (although in a national park, but due to the lease)? You have no right to protest there and management can/will throw you out instantly for trespassing, potentially with an extended ban. I don't support RCR's decision, I think it is insane and stupid, but just wanted to point this out. I hope you guys do get on TV during the WC though.

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Ya very true. I would imagine some of the protesters still plan to ski this year, if I were RCR I'd kick you guys out and ban for life or something along those lines. Unless you know something we don't.

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skierboy wrote:
Tuesday November 13th is Call in day !

Call Matt Mosteller direct - 403-256-8473 ext 3323

I already sent an email to RCR and will gladly call on Tuesday. Just wondering, what is Matt's position/role at RCR?

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charmingbob wrote:
skierboy wrote:
Tuesday November 13th is Call in day !

Call Matt Mosteller direct - 403-256-8473 ext 3323

I already sent an email to RCR and will gladly call on Tuesday. Just wondering, what is Matt's position/role at RCR?

Matt Mosteller - Senior Director of Business Development for Resorts of the Canadian Rockies.

nate

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Over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ...

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Hey Egon...don't friggin click on a forum topic if you are just going to get all upset.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't typically post on skierboy's anti-RCR-thread-du-jour. Check my history, you can verify this. If you check his history, you'll see that this is really his only topic...he just brings it back over, and over, and over, and over, [/insert however many "and over"s it takes for you to get the idea]

I'm bored and tired of his take on this. Grow up, move on, vote with your feet/wallet...I'm here to tell you I just don't care about whatever it is that RCR recently did to personally affront skierboy. So, Ranger_Mike, I'll continue to "friggin click" on whatever want to (and I already know what one of skierboy's threads is going to be about without even seeing the "topic"). Thanks for your input, it's been noted, and discarded.

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skibro007 - What I am saying is relevant. In the big scheme of things not having a terrain park is a pretty tiny problem, and one which does not warrant a protest. No one died, no one got hurt and the environment is probably better off because millions of liters of water and thousands of liters of diesel aren't going to be wasted constructing these things. So tell me what is there to protest?

At the end of the day RCR is a private company run for profit. A bunch of snot nosed skiers and snowboarders sitting at the bottom of the hill whining about not being able to hit booters isn't going to make them think twice about their decision. If you want to make a difference organize a mass boycott. Cancel your season's passes, don't buy food in their cafeterias, don't drink in their bars and don't stay in property on their hills. If their bottom line is affected then they might take notice.

Let's not forget we pay money for the privilege to be on their hills, we do not have an inherent right to it. Terrain parks are a service of their business and if they deem it a losing aspect of their business then they have every right to do away with it.

Don't get me wrong, I am saddened to see RCR axe their jump program, but the manner in which everyone is trying to protest this seems almost counterproductive.

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Egon, it's starting to sound like you might work for RCR. Am I correct in assuming this? Especially in light of the Shout Box posting you made about Skierboy...and we all know how RCR feels about him. It's called freedom of speech and if he wants to whinge away about RCR, so be it. You don't have to attend his protest rally, you don't even have to read his posts. Most BB's have an ignore list, not sure if Biglines does or not, but if they do I would suggest you put Skierboy on yours and quit your whining about what he says.

exactly. we all know its a business. we all know there are better things to protest. thanks for the heads up Egon. now fuck off.

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nesta wrote:
Egon, it's starting to sound like you might work for RCR.

Haha, work for RCR? No, and never have. And it's been years since I even skied at one of their hills. There are people on here who know who I am in "real life", they know this is the truth.

Now, I could ignore him (like I usually do), but I do get sick of someone who only has one post topic. That topic has a simple resolution: If you don't like RCR, don't ski with them. We're not talking about an unavoidable company, RCR is not Monsanto.

Have fun with your day of cardboard, paste, and protest...or you could go skiing somewhere

where else is he supposed to ski? move? fucking smartass douche.

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Big Nadz wrote:
where else is he supposed to ski? move?

Backcountry...and yes, if life is so terrible in the shadow of RCR, move. RCR doesn't own all the mountains.

Poor Nadz, yer getting pretty worked up there. I'm getting this mental image of you crying in frustration at your keyboard, "Why won't that mean old Egon let us endlessly express our angst towards RCR with undying regularity?" ...ok, so I'm paraphrasing --- you'd probably just grunt and thrash about, but it'd mean the same thing.

Sorry to break it to you, but a bunch of kids trying to protest the absence of a terrain park isn't going to accomplish anything. Nope I lied, it does do something. It makes me snigger just picturing it. :twisted: Have fun, please post pictures!

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You know I don't even really care if RCR has any parks. The only issue I have with this whole thing is that they advertised their parks, and their features all through selling season passes. And then 'suddenly' made the decision not to have them just as ski season starts. Bait and switch maybe?

Not to mention the whole bullshit about them being closed for safetys sake, I see that they are still going to have man made features at the eastern resorts, guess they don't care about guest saftey in Quebec? Or is it that those areas would be empty if they didn't have a decent park.

Point is, if you promise something then deliver it, if you are going to close it, then tell everyone BEFORE you sell them passes.

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This protest cracks me up. You guys ever seen the Lotto 649 commercial, with the fake news broadcast of the "striking poolboys"... this is what comes to mind. I'd love to see the Las Vegas locals picketing outside a gigantic casino, "Make Gambling Affordable!!", "People before Profits!!"...

I think someone forgot to let a few folks in on a little info: Skiing is for rich people... or bums. If you ain't rich, yet wanna live a narcissistic life of fun and endless powder-chasing, you can do like everybody else and become a ski bum. It's been two years since I worked for a ski hill, but I'm pretty sure most are still giving out free passes to all their employees.

So let's see:
You don't wanna work at a ski hill for it.
You don't wanna fork out a wad of cash for it.
You don't wanna build a fortune and start your own hill for it.
You don't wanna move for it.
and you don't even wanna HIKE for it.

You just want someone to come and build a multi-million-dollar ski resort on your doorstep, with a bunch of motorized lifts to zip you up a mountainside, and cut and maintain a field of beautifully manicured and controlled ski terrain, and then let you use it any day you choose all season long for really cheap. I'm sure that would make a good picket sign...

Yes, you had it all in Fernie, "back in the day". But you were spoiled. Despite all my sarcasm I really do feel sad about the loss of the "old fernie",... but it's gone people. It's over. Move on. A little town like that either keeps its "own" hill in the hands of its "own" people, or it loses it. Mike and Shelley are still runnin Whitewater just the way you want it... I suggest you move a few hours west and help to keep it that way -- if you think RCR is going to run its business on the "Whitewater Model" your barking up the wrong tree!! I don't think the CEO of RCR is into personally cleaning toilets, or clearing a pocket-change salary...

If you hate RCR. Boycott it. Don't ski there. Go somewhere else -- like any of the 50 million mountains right beside theirs. No lifts, no charge.

you guys are like, 'woohoo' n' sh*t.

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Whats the response

So....
Anybody call this Matt Mosteller fellow today and want to give us an idea of what his reply's were to the outrage?

Probably better political reteroric than that which usually comes out of Ottawa. But still, whats the word?

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ya

he said ..get hucked :twisted:

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Huck off smart ass! :wink:

Though I expect he said just that using 3 sentences full of crap

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It makes me snigger just picturing it.

Whoa dude, no need to go getting racist about it!

nate

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Well, I hope you're joking, but just in case:

snigger

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1. A stifled laugh: giggle, snicker, titter. See laughter.
2. A facial expression or laugh conveying scorn or derision: fleer, sneer, snicker. See express, laughter, respect/contempt/standing.

verb

1. To laugh in a stifled way: giggle, snicker, titter. See laughter.
2. To smile or laugh scornfully or derisively: fleer, sneer, snicker. Idioms: curl one's lip. See express, laughter, respect/contempt/standing.

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Isn't the key here that RCR has been pissing locals off for ages and failing to respond to their complaints? There are too many tourist dollars for the protest to win I think.

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Egon Spangler wrote:
giggle, snicker, titter...

Clean up your act buddy! Or the moderators are gonna be on you like stink! :twisted:

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There are too many tourist dollars for the protest to win I think.

Hey Manny, fock de fockin tourons

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Why the hell would you protest at the world cup races? What does the Lake Louise World Cup have to do with RCR pissing you off? Why would you taint a great event for Canaidian skiers? Maybe just boycot RCR? If you don't like there policy don't support them. Try and convince others to do the same. Don't protest during the World Cup races! Do you think CBC is going to put you on their broadcast? Are you serious? Get over yourself!

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its called freedom to to wht the ---- you want
there is nothing wrong with standing up to things that piss you off, :twisted:

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King Elk that is not what I'm saying. There is a time and a place to voice your opinons. Ruining a great Canaidian event that has little or nothing to do with RCR makes no sense. If people used there brains before they act they might get more accomplished.

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Drewski wrote:
King Elk that is not what I'm saying. There is a time and a place to voice your opinons. Ruining a great Canaidian event that has little or nothing to do with RCR makes no sense. If people used there brains before they act they might get more accomplished.

Depending on how the protest is conducted it's not going to 'ruin' the event, it's using the event as a means to reach out to a broader audiance, as far as protests go it's a good tactic.

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Ok it's cool I doubt anyone will care about a couple of mad park rats.

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