Ortovox S1

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What are your thoughts on the new S1 Ortovox beacon/transciever?

My initial findings are:

It has a shorter range (60M vs 80M) if I'm not mistaken, which I'm told is quite a bit of difference.

That and the heightened price tag are the only negatives I can come up with.

As for positives, the new technology and screen aided indicators for multiple burials (distances and directions shown) would be a fantastic benefit.

What else should one be aware of when considering this piece of equipment?

Thanks, Alex.

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Ortovox S1

i think they've pushed the roll out date back because of issues with the battery life but i think they just need more time to test it. here's what i've read about it:

Summit wrote:
OK... flyer from Ortovox with specs/features (you decided if its for real or whether there is a marketing factor):

"Sensor Control"
"Scan Function"
"Eletronic Compass, eletric thermomitor, measurement of incline withsafety circuitry" (safety circuitry... is the beacon gonna beep at you when you are certain angle slopes or it gets too cold?)
"Digital Display with background illumination
"Constant battery power remaining display"
"Multiple burial search with arrrow function"
"Clear, Safe switchover to recieve mode"
"emergency switch-over to transmit mode"
"transmitting control light"
"loudspeaker"
"secure one-belt system that cannot be lost"
"compatible with all standardied transcievers (entire reqeuncy and range compatibility)"
"european standard en 300 718"
"5 year warranty"
"RECEIVING digital (one antenna), analog TRANSMITTING with safety circuitry" (so there is the answer... one antenna... but there must be more to this... perhaps the antenna rotates? (speculating))
"60m range"
"30m search strip width"
"operating temperature -20 - +45 C"
"4 x AAA batteries"
"Battery life at +10C: Transmit ~350hrs, recieve ~20hrs" (short receive time at ~50F)
"Dimensions 123x80x32mm"
"Weight 240g including belt and batteries"

"Simultaneously scans all signals in the avalanch area via clear signal analysis"
"locates simultaneously up to 5 buried persons within a radius of 60m"
"large illuminated display shows position and distance to all buried persons"
"automatic safey switch-back to transmit mode from every operating mode"
"infrared interface for updates and technical reports"
"selectable fucnitons (with safety circuitry, therefore meeting the standard)"
"electronic compass"
"temperature information"
"measurement of inclanation"
"indication on depth of burial"

Operation is supposed to look like this: S1shows the map of buried beacons. Point the S1 at hte beacon you want to find first, press button, S1 isolates that beacon. Go to that beacon. Press button, S1 gives burial depth. Press button that beacon is silenced and others are shown.

Straight line to hte person according to what the last guy said (suggest highly advanced DSP and some funky antenna business, but I'm still not convinced that it will straighline instead of flux line in)

I was also told the S1 uses frequency discriminators which (paraphrase): are oustanding when they work, but very finicky and this beacon has had problems with them not working resulting in the beacon chasing ghost signals

Anonymous
Ortovox S1

If this thing is still not out that means it will be at least two years until I get one. I'm not guinea-pigging this expensive puppy until it's been well tested in the field. I will stick with my trusty Tracker DTS until then.[/i]

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S1

I got to play with own down at the ISSW a couple of weeks ago. I was skeptical at first (I personally still a big fan of the old M1, or M2) but once I stoped feeling like captin kirk with my tricorder I was supprised at how easy and intuitive it was to work. I put my proform in as soon as I got home. Check out Beck's article on the ISSW for a bit of a better review.

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Ortovox S1

It is interesting to note the other functions they are incorporating, such as compass and temperature guage.

On one hand it is cool to make one piece of equipment do multiple things (especially in the spirit of carrying as little out with us as we can). On the other hand, what happens if you've pulled out your beacon to check a slope inclination and you get hit by a slide? It could increase the chance of losing it during the chaos..

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Ortovox S1

LordEd wrote:
On the other hand, what happens if you've pulled out your beacon to check a slope inclination and you get hit by a slide? It could increase the chance of losing it during the chaos..

A couple things...

When you are searching you should always keep the harness around you, so that the beacon and you can't be separated. I would suggest that you do the same with the S1. It does automatically revert to send (like many others).

Second, if you are checking slope inclination and get hit by a slide, you didn't pick a very good place to check, did you? ...don't pay too much attention to that though, I know you're just coming up with an example. :)

In relation to an earlier post about the range issue, this is the case with all digital tranceivers I know of. The digital circuitry needs a certain strength of signal with which to work. I don't think it's such a big deal though. At 80 or 90m all an analogue can give you is a very general heading. You probably (read: should) know where you're going to start looking anyway, so it isn't saving you much time over just running in that direction and trying for a first signal.

My only concern with the S1 is processing time. I found the X1 painfully slow to sort out what it was doing. I know many others are better (I really liked the Barryvox). I hope (expect) Ortovox has improved this.

"Gravity is a harsh mistress"
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Ortovox S1

Egon Spangler wrote:
When you are searching you should always keep the harness around you, so that the beacon and you can't be separated. I would suggest that you do the same with the S1. It does automatically revert to send (like many others).

Second, if you are checking slope inclination and get hit by a slide, you didn't pick a very good place to check, did you? ...don't pay too much attention to that though, I know you're just coming up with an example. :)

It was just an example. I guess what I meant to say is that if its cold and you need to remove layers just to get to your beacon (which is just on top of your base layer, of course) then you've increased the chance of it being ripped off, properly attached or not. Ortovox make good stuff but, as the broken knob on my X1 can attest, they aren't bullet proof.

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LordEd wrote:
It was just an example. I guess what I meant to say is that if its cold and you need to remove layers just to get to your beacon (which is just on top of your base layer, of course) then you've increased the chance of it being ripped off, properly attached or not.

Yea, I didn't want to come off as harsh there, and I wouldn't want to be removing layers (I wear my beacon directly under my outermost garment) just to get a bearing. I like to have my Altimeter watch readable without pulling off my glove, and pulling up my sleeve, so I'm certainly not that keen on digging into my jacket to get that same info. It's cool to include those features, but I don't think that would be my primary tool for any of that.

"Gravity is a harsh mistress"
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Ortovox S1 coming in October 2007

The word is from Ortovox Canada that the new Ortovox S1 should be out for retail in October 2007. Had a chance to play with it and it seems to be working great. I am definitely getting the S1 myself as soon as it comes out.

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Anonymous
Ortovox S1

Man. not getting one. it seems slow and complicated and expensive!

Anonymous
yo beacon

r u still selling that beacon?

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Ortovox S1

I got on of these for christmas this year. It was on back order until about two weeks ago, but I have it now and it is sweet.

The display is obviously completely different than anything alse out there. After a quick read of the manual and some practice, it is the easiest fastest beacon I've ever used.

The practice area we have is where the snowploughs in town push massive amounts of debris, so the whole thing is about 2 and a half metres deep and looks and feels like avy debris. We were burying three other transcievers as deep as possible and I could easily walk a straight line to each consecutive buriel, and got a probe strike within the first two or three probes every time. the pinpoint display leaves no room for guesswork and was highly accurate every time.

Expensive, yes but there's no standing there trying to seperate three signals by ear. Its just straight to business. Worth it.

The only con so far was that if you leave it open and dangling from your chest while probing or digging, it beeps incesantly, but that does remind you to close it and put it back in the harness after pinpointing

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