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Heli ski application for the Duffy
Submited By LeeL On 2007-11-16
Coast Range Heliskiing is applying for tenure to the North and South of Duffey lake, including Steep Ck, the Hurley Silver Mine, Common Johnny Creek, Elliot and Haylmore Cks - basically all the quick access spot off the road towards Lillooet. <br />
Coast Range Heliskiing is applying for tenure to the North and South of Duffey lake, including Steep Ck, the Hurley Silver Mine, Common Johnny Creek, Elliot and Haylmore Cks - basically all the quick access spot off the road towards Lillooet.
Here's the map with the added tenure requested - http://www2.lwbc.bc.ca/ApplicationPosting/viewpost.jsp?PostID=8313#top -
There is an opportunity to comment. Send comments to
Andy Oetter
Adventure Tourism Manager
510-175 2nd ave
Kamloops, BC
V2C 5W1
250 371-3932
andy.oetter@gov.bc.ca
The case file is 3411014.
--------------------------Re: case file 3411014
Application by Coast Range Heliskiing for tenure in the vicinity of Anderson Lk
I am writing with some concerns about the application for heli ski tenure in the vicinity of Anderson Lk.
There are some small portions of their tenure application that are heavily used by backcountry skiers and should be removed from their application.
I understand heli skiing is an important business and that the government is trying to promote its development. I also see that Coast Range Heli Skiing has a large existing tenure and that most of the tenure being applied for is removed from heavily visited areas that will cause user conflicts.
My concern is with areas that are easily accessible from the Duffey Lk road.
Backcounrty Skiing is growing sport involving at least 10,000 people in teh lower mainland alone. I am currently updating a guidebook to ski mountaineering in the Coast Mountains - Exploring the Coast Mountains on Skis. There are very few areas accessible to backcountry skiers in winter. The three most accessible areas for backcountry skiing in SW BC are the Duffey Lk area, Garibaldi Park behind Whistler and an area near Coquihalla Summit. Of these the Duffey Lk area is by far the most popular. This is an area that rivals the world renowned backcountry skiing at Roger's Pass. In particular the drainage of Steep Cr which covers Duffey South is one of the busiest areas for backcountry skiing from the Duffey Lk road. It offers some of the easiest access for backcountry skiers to top quality skiing and is well established as known destination. My guess is that there are skiers in there almost every day of the winter with large numbers of people on the weekends and when conditions are good. Allowing heli skiing in this area is not a good idea. It would lead to extensive user conflicts. I feel strongly that the entire Duffey South area should be removed from the application (it is a small portion of the area being applied for). CRH has tenure that is farther back from the road and will not lead to user conflicts and I feel they look to utilize those areas more rather than impinging on existing backcountry ski terrain.
My concerns with the Duffey North area are smaller. Most areas are farther back from the road and not used as heavily so that user conflicts are likely to be less frequent. Any potential conflicts can likely be managed through cooperation between CRH and backcouuntry skiers. An exception is the small portion of the area around the Hurley Silver Mine. This is readily accessible from the Duffey Lk road and is popular with backcountry skiers. The second portion of this area that should be removed is the headwaters of Spruce Cr and the W fork of Haylmore cr as these are very close to the ACC cabin in Marriott Basin and any skiing there would have a strong negative impact on Marriott Basin.
My third concern is regarding their proposed staging area 2 on the Duffey Lk area. This is absolutely the worst place for a staging area for heli skiing. It is right at the busiest part of the Duffey Lk road where backcountry skiers are the most active. It is close to the parking areas for both Marriot and Cerise Cr cabins. Along with nearby Cayoosh, Chief Pascall and Caspar Cr these areas are used constantly throughout the winter.A helicopter staging area here would severely impact the solitude of the most popular backcountry skiing area in SW BC. My suggestion is a staging area on the N side of the area on the Birkenhead road.
I notice that under application # 3410470 CRH is investigating the Gott Downton and Whitecap areas. These areas present much less likelihood for conflicts and should be considered as alternatives to the Duffey South and southern portion of the Duffey North areas.
SUMMARY
I feel all areas on slopes that face the Duffey Lk road should be removed from the tenure application.
DUFFEY SOUTH - remove entirely as it will lead to extensive user conflicts
DUFFEY NORTH - remove small portions adjacent to Marriott Basin and Hurley Silver Mine road.
STAGING AREA #2 - should be removed entirely
Sincerely
John Baldwin
Submited By LeeL On 2007-11-16
Coast Range Heliskiing is applying for tenure to the North and South of Duffey lake, including Steep Ck, the Hurley Silver Mine, Common Johnny Creek, Elliot and Haylmore Cks - basically all the quick access spot off the road towards Lillooet. <br />
Coast Range Heliskiing is applying for tenure to the North and South of Duffey lake, including Steep Ck, the Hurley Silver Mine, Common Johnny Creek, Elliot and Haylmore Cks - basically all the quick access spot off the road towards Lillooet.
Here's the map with the added tenure requested - http://www2.lwbc.bc.ca/ApplicationPosting/viewpost.jsp?PostID=8313#top -
There is an opportunity to comment. Send comments to
Andy Oetter
Adventure Tourism Manager
510-175 2nd ave
Kamloops, BC
V2C 5W1
250 371-3932
andy.oetter@gov.bc.ca
The case file is 3411014.
--------------------------Re: case file 3411014
Application by Coast Range Heliskiing for tenure in the vicinity of Anderson Lk
I am writing with some concerns about the application for heli ski tenure in the vicinity of Anderson Lk.
There are some small portions of their tenure application that are heavily used by backcountry skiers and should be removed from their application.
I understand heli skiing is an important business and that the government is trying to promote its development. I also see that Coast Range Heli Skiing has a large existing tenure and that most of the tenure being applied for is removed from heavily visited areas that will cause user conflicts.
My concern is with areas that are easily accessible from the Duffey Lk road.
Backcounrty Skiing is growing sport involving at least 10,000 people in teh lower mainland alone. I am currently updating a guidebook to ski mountaineering in the Coast Mountains - Exploring the Coast Mountains on Skis. There are very few areas accessible to backcountry skiers in winter. The three most accessible areas for backcountry skiing in SW BC are the Duffey Lk area, Garibaldi Park behind Whistler and an area near Coquihalla Summit. Of these the Duffey Lk area is by far the most popular. This is an area that rivals the world renowned backcountry skiing at Roger's Pass. In particular the drainage of Steep Cr which covers Duffey South is one of the busiest areas for backcountry skiing from the Duffey Lk road. It offers some of the easiest access for backcountry skiers to top quality skiing and is well established as known destination. My guess is that there are skiers in there almost every day of the winter with large numbers of people on the weekends and when conditions are good. Allowing heli skiing in this area is not a good idea. It would lead to extensive user conflicts. I feel strongly that the entire Duffey South area should be removed from the application (it is a small portion of the area being applied for). CRH has tenure that is farther back from the road and will not lead to user conflicts and I feel they look to utilize those areas more rather than impinging on existing backcountry ski terrain.
My concerns with the Duffey North area are smaller. Most areas are farther back from the road and not used as heavily so that user conflicts are likely to be less frequent. Any potential conflicts can likely be managed through cooperation between CRH and backcouuntry skiers. An exception is the small portion of the area around the Hurley Silver Mine. This is readily accessible from the Duffey Lk road and is popular with backcountry skiers. The second portion of this area that should be removed is the headwaters of Spruce Cr and the W fork of Haylmore cr as these are very close to the ACC cabin in Marriott Basin and any skiing there would have a strong negative impact on Marriott Basin.
My third concern is regarding their proposed staging area 2 on the Duffey Lk area. This is absolutely the worst place for a staging area for heli skiing. It is right at the busiest part of the Duffey Lk road where backcountry skiers are the most active. It is close to the parking areas for both Marriot and Cerise Cr cabins. Along with nearby Cayoosh, Chief Pascall and Caspar Cr these areas are used constantly throughout the winter.A helicopter staging area here would severely impact the solitude of the most popular backcountry skiing area in SW BC. My suggestion is a staging area on the N side of the area on the Birkenhead road.
I notice that under application # 3410470 CRH is investigating the Gott Downton and Whitecap areas. These areas present much less likelihood for conflicts and should be considered as alternatives to the Duffey South and southern portion of the Duffey North areas.
SUMMARY
I feel all areas on slopes that face the Duffey Lk road should be removed from the tenure application.
DUFFEY SOUTH - remove entirely as it will lead to extensive user conflicts
DUFFEY NORTH - remove small portions adjacent to Marriott Basin and Hurley Silver Mine road.
STAGING AREA #2 - should be removed entirely
Sincerely
John Baldwin
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